Never mind separation of state and church, Vogelaar is willing, even advocating, to spend extorted taxpayer's money on converting a western nation to Sharia oppression. According to Vogelaar, "terrorism and religious violence are not unique to Islam; this also occurs with other religions. We have to accept this as part of our society and of every religion". Vogelaar wants to "make Muslims feel at home". Well, if they come to The Netherlands voluntarily, which they do, and they don't like it here, which apparently they don't, nobody's stopping them to go back home. I fail to see why I should have to pay in order to make another person happy, and that does not only apply to Muslims.
Everyone has a right to life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. They do not have a right to happiness, as it would make me their slave, having to make them happy no matter their demands. Well, suit yourself. If you can adapt to the Dutch way of life, become western, and make your own future, through your own achievements, you are welcome. If you feel you have to impose a totalitarian belief, live from my money, and complain we don't adapt to your backward culture, please go home and stay there. Don't invade my freedom.
Only recently, a Muslim woman was murdered on the Alkmaar railway station by her Turkish ex-husband. She'd left him because he used to beat her up. Well, that was his right, wasn't it? She was his property, right? He killed himself after the fact, and it turned out his family had put him up to it: honor killing. Man and husband were cousin and niece. Not at all uncommon. But it's widely known what inbreading will do to both physical and spiritual health: lots of genetic defects and low intelligence, with all sorts of psychological disorders. Those are the Muslims we're importing, this is the Islam Vogelaar wants to become part of the Dutch culture.
Unfortunately, Vogelaar is just one of many traitors to the western culture, member of the PvdA political party (Partij van de Arbeid, Labour Party). She is totally incompetent. Ignorance never was an excuse for incompetence, and it's certainly not becoming one now. She actually thought that Mohammed Bouyeri, Theo van Gogh's killer, was some sort of social worker who's ideas she found agreeable. Is it surprising that PvdA has been nicknamed many names: Partij van de Allochtonen, Partij van de Allahs, Portemonnee van de Ander, Partij van de Achterlijkheid (Immigrant Party, Allah Party, Other People's Wallet, Retard's Party) and then some more?
The PVV (Freedom Party), the only party in The Netherlands that hasn't succumbed to dhimmytude, has asked questions on the issue to Dutch Parliament. The PVV wants these statements withdrawn, or else Vogelaar should resign. While PVV is the most (classical) liberal party we have in The Netherlands, and the only one with a critical attitude, I feel this is not good enough. Even if the statements were to be withdrawn, it won't change their meaning. Vogelaar said it, and she meant it. If she retracts, just to stay in office, it won't mean a thing. This woman is evil, and should be forced out of any official function immediately. In fact, she should be tried for high treason, but probably get equitted for being utterly clueless.
The only thing we may be thankful to Vogelaar for later on is that her incredible stupidity may have awoken some Dutch minds that up till now were too blind to see where our government is leading us. Whether it's too late or not, only time will tell.
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Even if all immigrants posed no threat whatever to the Netherlands, unlike Muslims, there must come a time when there are more immigrants of a different culture in the Netherlands, then there are Dutch people. Then the Dutch will have lost their country. This will be bad not just for the Dutch but for the world.
There was also a Swedish legislator who said a similar crazy statement along the lines of 'we should be kind to the Muslims so that when they take over, they will be kind to us.' Insanity.
So, this women is a member of the Dutch Government! This is very alarming indeed. Do you think she has actually read the Koran and believes in the world that it incites Muslims to create, or is she acting out of the wishful thinking and ignorance that is common with socialists? In both cases the Dutch people need to be very concerned about their Government. Even in the UK our Dhimmi Government has not yet sunk to such depths.
If the Dutch Government does not disavow the offensive comments uttered by this women then you can assume that the Government supports her subversive views. Such a Government is out of touch with the security interests of the Netherlands and is in effect undermining the very existence of the Dutch state and is colluding in its destruction.
It would appear that this Government minister believes that Jews and Christians should accept second class status and agree to pay the special tax that subsidises the Muslim population. She must also believe that women are second class citizens and their value is half that of men in legal matters and that homosexuality should be declared illegal and be subject to barbaric punishments if practised.
This Minister, and by implication the Dutch Government, is endorsing prejudice and suggesting that such prejudice be the basis of the Dutch legal system. The question that I would like to ask as person who is not Dutch is as follows: Is it legal under Dutch law to advocate the overthrow of the Dutch political system and the abolition of the Dutch state? If not this Government minister should be prosecuted and if the Government supports her then its members should be impeached and removed from office.
The Dutch people have a right to exist on their own terms in their own country, and it would appear that the Dutch Government is undermining this basic right. The Dutch people are entitled to enjoy national self-determination and the Dutch Government appears to be in league with forces that want to prevent this.
It is very sad to see such developments in the Netherlands, a country that was once the shining beacon of tolerance and progress in the world. The Netherlands has lost its way and if it continues on this course will very soon cease to exist.
Someone in the Netherlands should write to this woman, and tell her in no uncertain terms, that in Islamic law, as a woman, neither she, or her opinions, count.
Absolutely unbelievable (sp). Incredible. Hope they all look good in black.
I shouldn't worry about it too much.
Although the things she says are extremely aggrevating, at the same time she couldn't do more damage to her dhimmi-party than she is currently doing.
It's like she's pushing self-destruct buttons left and right.
This combined with the Ehsan Jami issue that some here may or may not know about, make for interesting watching.
After 9/11 lots have happened in the West. There has been a global change in the political scene mainly due to the Islamic activities in the west, Europe in particular. I would like to highlight an instance, where I happened to meet a couple of Swedish gentlemen in a bar at the Mumbai (Bombay)International Airport.
This was the time when Mumbai was in the middle of riots caused by muslims, who's sentiments were hurt due to the destruction of Babri Mosque by hindus ( call them fanatics if one pleases ). These two Swedish gentlemen had engaged in a dialogue with me for a very brief period while waiting for our flights . I came to learn that they had been guests to some muslim M.P. in Madhya Pradesh for some 10 days . They were medical professionals on a business trip in India . Both of them were very concerned about the treatment, injustice in particular the muslim minority faced in India. We had dialogue on Indian politics, culture, religion and other issues , being a hindu myself I did not want to hurt the feelings of these guests , who had made it their business to speak for the muslims, who they had known for just 10 days and nothing about the hindus .
Since we had very limited time , for we had to catch our respective flights , I did tell them that India had a history of at least a period that goes beyond the Christian era and the time they spent in India was not even a drop in an ocean. My last words to the gentlemen were, today there may be a few muslims who are enjoying the hospitality of the civilised Swedish people and their democratic government, but tomorrow when they form a sizable minority and Islam shows its true colours , then and then only you Swedes and Europeans will realise what countries like India and other infidel nations have gone through for centuries . God forbid a day never comes when a corner of Sweden is demanded by these muslims to become Swedonistan.
India has it all, from the very early Christians to Jews , the Parsees , the Budhists , the Jains , the Sikhs all living side by side enjoying the freedom of faiths and cultures, only the muslims have a problem . Something wrong somewhere and I have my doubts on Islam and their followers .
# posted by The KALI Yuga @ 3:28 AM 0 comments
Jesus (peace be upon him ) love of God. We are muslims holding Jesus love and holding who really believe in Jesus. How can a chiristian hate muslims ıf really believe in love of Jesus. I m curious.
12. (To his son came the command): "O John! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth,
13. And pity (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
14. And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious.
15. So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!
16. Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.
17. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
18. She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
19. He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son.
20. She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
21. He said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us'. It is a matter (so) decreed."
22. So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
23. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten!"
24. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
25. "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
26. "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being'"
27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly a strange thing has thou brought!
28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
29. But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
31. "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
32. "(He hath made me) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest;
33. "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! Holy Quran
@İlknur
"How can a chiristian hate muslims ıf really believe in love of Jesus."
It's not about christians or muslims, and it's certainly not about hate. It's about invision of individual freedom.
Fact is, that in most of the Western world, Islam is invading the freedom of non-Islamic people, by demanding all sorts of restrictions and facilities that limit the freedom of the original inhabitants. No other group of immigrants has done this, and noone has the right to do so.
The libertarian stance is that anyone has the right to pursue his hapiness, anywhere, but has to pursue it by his/her own efforts. If someone intends to move to another country for morally correct reasons, not to submit other people to his beliefs, he is free to do so.
The logical moral reason to move elswhere is to seek improvements not available at home. So the new venue must be viewed as being 'better'. Then one should not want to drag that venue down to the standards one came from, for what is the rationale behind the move then?
If a muslim really needs society to offer him all the facilities for traditionally exercising his faith, he should stay in or move to a muslim country. If a muslim wants to move from a muslim country to experience freedom and liberty, he should leave the fundamentals if his faith behind. Adapt to your new society, blend in, like immigrants before you, and contribute to your new country.
This is not to say he should lose his faith, become a christian, a boeddhist, a hindoe or even an atheist. He should just do away with the middleaged part of his rituals and keep his faith to himself, to be practiced in the privacy of his home.
Live and let live, leave one other free to his/her own beliefs, work for a living, not preying on others, and we can all live in peace together. This is totally independent of color of skin, race, etnicity, belief or gender. But to a muslim it means he has to abandon the part of the koran where it says to suppress women and to kill the apostates and infidels, just like the christians have had to abandon the old testament part of the bible.
With holy books ordering killings, a peaceful society can never be obtained.
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